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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 04/15/2020 at 10:56 • Filed to: None

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Treasury Department orders Trump’s name to be printed on coronavirus stimulus checks. Changing the printing is expected to delay the mailing of the checks.

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I just can’t even anymore. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:03

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I got mine already. What are they going to do, take it back and give it to me again?

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:04

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Classic Trump, he’s trying to take credit for giving us our money back.

atfsgeoff > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:04

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Treasury officials dispute the claim that it could delay the issuance of checks.

Adding a name to the memo field on a run of checks should take about 10 seconds. That’s not a significant delay.

News media keeps believing, harping on, clinging to, and spinning every single thing that Trump does or is alleged to have done . In these uncertain times, at least we can rely on that. Then again that’s why I don’t bother keeping up with the 24 hour news cycle anymore. The signal to noise ratio is just too low, so much reporting on stuff of such little consequence when there are far more important things to report on. 

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:07

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S u firma en TODOS los cheques, profe sor presidente ?

(Seriously, if you want a good streaming series, check out Money Heist/La Casa de Papel.)

ttyymmnn > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 04/15/2020 at 11:07

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Yup. And Congress did the work. All he did was sign it.

functionoverfashion > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:08

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True; it’s also no longer breaking news when Trump does something petty, selfish, and unhelpful to anyone but his ego. 

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > interstate366, now In The Industry 04/15/2020 at 11:10

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Apparently, this..

“ The checks are set to be mailed to individuals the IRS does not have banking information for, the Post reported, noting that the payments are separate from the ones the agency deposited to 80 million Americans’ bank accounts earlier this week. The direct deposit payments don’t bear Trump’s name.”

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:15

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If you can make it through any T rump speech without yelling “It isn’t about you, motherfucker!” at least once, you either have way more self control than I do, or you aren’t listening to the words being said.

Just once, I want to hear facts, not how great he is, how he’s doing something that’s never been done before etc etc. Unless we are talking about the few things he “takes absolutely no responsibility for”. He’s been a part of some good things, but it’s so vastly overshadowed by the constant grandstanding bullshit that it’s hard to remember any of it.

atfsgeoff > functionoverfashion 04/15/2020 at 11:18

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Every president has done petty, selfish and unhelpful things throughout his term. Trump is just the latest. His transgressions are exaggerated because everyone loves to hate him for being a political unknown who went from never holding public office, directly to President.

Despite what most media portrays him as, he’s not THAT bad a guy nor is he that bad of a president. Not great, but not unspeakably terrible.

fintail > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:21

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On the other hand, what has he done right? Hard to harp on something so small.

I'm waiting to see where Javanka is appointed to lead next.  I hope that isn't negative spin. 

jminer > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:23

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I’ve started track over the things that have made me irrationally angry these last 8 weeks. The 24 hour news cycle usually helps him shove fuckups under the rug of other fuckups but this one they’re piling high.

I talked to someone yesterday though that thought he was handling all of this just fine...

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:23

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If he wants his name on the checks they should be coming from his personal account.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 11:25

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Another reason to vote for the Democrat option in all cases in the next election.

It’s the only effective way to put an end to this shit.

Just Jeepin' > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:27

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Yes, he really is that bad of a president.

You simply can’t lie to the country thousands of times, blatantly, with no concern for the truth, and not be a bad p resident. You can’t ignore your intelligence agencies and let thousands of people die , and not be a bad president. You can’t fire everyone who disagrees with you, and not be a bad president. You can’t encourage violence against the media, against protestors, against immigrants, and not be a bad president.

Mid Engine > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:28

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You’re ki dding, right?

atfsgeoff > fintail 04/15/2020 at 11:31

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He got rid of the ACA individual mandate, he passed simplified and IMO better federal income tax brackets and standard deduction, imposed OMG EVIL TARIFFS that are actually making US manufacturing slightly more competitive to overseas manufacturing, he’s made great headway into diplomatic relations with North Korea, he’s withdrawn troops from foreign nations... he’s actually done a fair bit of good stuff. 

atfsgeoff > Just Jeepin' 04/15/2020 at 11:34

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#fakenews

Trump does not ignore his advisors, nor does he fire everyone who disagrees with him, nor does he encourage violence against the media, protesters or immigrants. 

atfsgeoff > Mid Engine 04/15/2020 at 11:34

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Nope

Just Jeepin' > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:36

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“ There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience,” Trump warned people at a rally in Iowa last month. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”

Trump has even threatened to personally get in on the action. “I’d like to punch him in the face , I’ll tell ya,” he said of a protester on Feb. 22. 

atfsgeoff > Just Jeepin' 04/15/2020 at 11:42

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Video unavailable and server error on those links, respectively.

I’d like to point out that throwing a tomato at someone is assault and battery, not just protesting.

The thing about punching someone in the face was because that guy had already gotten violent. Contrary to popular belief, violence (or threat thereof) is almost always the answer, hopefully of last resort. 

Arrivederci > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:42

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No, he is unspeakably terrible and by far the worst president our country has ever had.

atfsgeoff > Arrivederci 04/15/2020 at 11:44

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No, FDR was the worst president our country has ever had. He did more to destroy the Constitution than anyone before or since. Woodrow Wilson is a close second. 

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 04/15/2020 at 11:46

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I wouldn’t want to cash that though, it’d most likely bounce and I’d be charged a fee for it.

Arrivederci > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:49

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If that’s what you believe, I can see Trump’s appeal.  

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:50

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I too tune out most of the news cycle- I read once a day and I usually try to read across sources. I’ve voted mostly democrat but also independent and republican.

However, I disagree with your main premise , he is that bad of a guy. His selfishness and pettiness for a president far exceeds anything I am aware of. The way he has acted towards anyone who even slightly transgresses him is worlds apart from any politician that I can recall. A great recent example was that reporter who asked “what would you say to the American people about (and listed off facts about Covid)?” Pence was asked something similar and said something like “don’t be afraid, be vigilant” and Trump said “you’re a terrible reporter...” 

Future next gen S2000 owner > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:52

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Trump is objectively bad. You are right, no previous president has been perfect, but none have been anywhere near the level Trump is. 

Bryan doesn't drive a 1M > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 04/15/2020 at 11:53

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That only happens if you’re a pornstar who needs hush money.

For Sweden > fintail 04/15/2020 at 11:56

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He got Joe Scarborough to give him air time throughout his campaign. That is something.

jimz > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:58

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Ok, so that’s 5 of the standard Hannity/Carlson talking points.

so what of the deficit which was set to balloon from those tax cuts (even before the virus hit?) You know, the deficit Trump promised to wipe out? 

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 11:58

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“ imposed OMG EVIL TARIFFS that are actually making US manufacturing slightly more competitive to overseas manufacturing”

-That’s straight up false. There’s been no real uptick in US steel production since they were put into place

I work in the manufacturing sector, and the tariffs actually reduced the number of people that we employ. 

atfsgeoff > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 04/15/2020 at 12:00

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I have lots of clients in the manufacturing sector and almost all of them have increased production and expanded their workforce since Trump took office. 

atfsgeoff > jimz 04/15/2020 at 12:07

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I don’t know who Hannity or Carlson are.

And what about the deficit? Every president promises to reduce or eliminate the deficit, only one in recent history has actually succeeded (B ill C linton). I’m not defending Trump as an objectively or subjectively good president nor do I deny he does a lot of dumb shit. I’m just saying there have been worse.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 12:08

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When you elect a narcissist as  president...

Brian, The Life of > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:08

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atfsgeoff > Brian, The Life of 04/15/2020 at 12:10

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Thankfully your belief is not required

jimz > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:10

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I don’t know who H annity or Carlson are.

Suuuuuurrrreee you don’t.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! 04/15/2020 at 12:11

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u nless we are talking about the few things he “takes absolutely no responsibility for”

I love the disconnect between “I take no responsibility” and him having “absolute power” or however he phrased it. Of course he’s too stupid or vain to realize this.

I n his world I could see how that could be the perfect scenario - be the guy who calls all the shots, but never to blame for anything (of course unless it’s something good and even tangentially related to him - in that case it’s something he alone did and nobody ever could’ve done something as amazing).

atfsgeoff > jimz 04/15/2020 at 12:13

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 Suuuuuurrrreee you don’t.

I did a quick google search, carlson comes up mostly as a character from Of Mice and Men, but Hannity at least gave me an idea that he’s a political pundit who has a talk show. I don’t watch TV, never seen his show.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > interstate366, now In The Industry 04/15/2020 at 12:13

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Chariotoflove > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:13

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This is the problem. Even on this forum, which I maintain is populated by the one of the most reasonable groups of individuals I have seen on the internet, People get themselves whipped into a frenzy with every tweet and order from Donald Trump. The people who hate him hate him so much, that any single thing he does or says is another argument that he should be executed. I find it exhausting.

The news media, left and right, will continue to stoke their fires because this kind of venom comes with maximum clicks, and therefore revenue. At its core, this situation is not about the integrity of our governmental system, it’s about good old capitalism.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > interstate366, now In The Industry 04/15/2020 at 12:13

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Got my wire today too - was sad the reference text didn’t say TRUMP - KAG 2020! I blame the liberal elites in this attempt to hide our President’s greatness.

Can I send it back and request a payment via check?

/S

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:15

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Haha, “a bit of good stuff, ” that’s a great joke.

Huge tax cuts for the already rich, trade wars that require more than $20bil in government bailout to “win” , North Korea is still testing missiles , and he’s still sending troops overseas.

Oh yeah and we’re still waiting for that check from Mexico...

And let’s not forget:

avalonian > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 04/15/2020 at 12:17

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This, This is the correct answer. Like bro it isn't your money, why does it need your name lol.

Chariotoflove > Future next gen S2000 owner 04/15/2020 at 12:20

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And yet, this has been said at one time or another about the majority of presidents over the last two centuries. Every generation tends to think its crises are the most catastrophic, their era the most beleaguered in all of modern history. In reality, these are historically some of the most peaceful and prosperous times in our country’s history. Donald Trump’s sins, egregious as they seem, don’t even put him near the top of of the list of horrible things a president has perpetrated.

None of this is to defend the current president, or to downplay the need to watchdog out elected officials, but more  perspective would help.

interstate366, now In The Industry > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2020 at 12:22

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TIL you make six figures

interstate366, now In The Industry > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 04/15/2020 at 12:23

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Heh, half the Trump 2020 swag I see around here says “no more bullshit” instead of “keep America great”. Like, imagine having to explain that to a child.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:26

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I’m sure “many peopl e ” agree with you

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/trump-racist-tweets-many-people-agree

MrSnrub > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 12:27

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I stopped being outraged by his antics a while ago, it’s just too exhausting. Nothing he does surprises me anymore

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:28

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When given macro-level statistics you respond with personal anecdotes - you do realize that both what you’re seeing and the data being shown to you can both be true, right?

Open your eyes beyond just what you see and want to believe. 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > interstate366, now In The Industry 04/15/2020 at 12:38

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atfsgeoff > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 04/15/2020 at 12:43

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You mean when given cherry-picked macro-level statistics.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 04/15/2020 at 12:49

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Then again... President Trump lives to incense the media and the left so that he can moan about being victimized by them. The guy gets out of bed in the morning eager to see how much of the entire planet he can affront by breakfast and we are seeing in ways large and small how productive that approach is. Or isn’t.  

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:51

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... because everyone loves to hate him...

I would argue that he loves to be hated. Lives  to be hated.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Chariotoflove 04/15/2020 at 12:51

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Well said. I’d like to think previous presidents have set examples of what to not do and the next learns from the previous.

Each president is a product of their time and we tend to forget that. The actions of each should only be compared to those of their era. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:53

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Speaking of statistics, are you folding yet?

functionoverfashion > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:55

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I don’t hold it against him at all that he went from no political office to president. That’s impressive.

But he IS shockingly terrible in his moral character, or lack thereof. He lies about tiny things and huge things, every single day. He lied about his inauguration crowd and the weather, literally on day one. He lied about paying off a porn star, a fact that is not up for debate. He lied about how serious he thought the coronavirus was going to be. He constantly lies about what he just said, yesterday or last week. He threatens people like a mob boss. 

Would you let your kids act like he does? I sure wouldn’t. How does that make him “not THAT bad a guy” as you said?

He mocked a disabled reporter. Please, defend that one. 

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/15/2020 at 12:58

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Elect a clown, expect a circus...

functionoverfashion > avalonian 04/15/2020 at 12:58

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same reason he wants to be the one calling the shots on reopening things; he doesn’t want to make the unpopular decisions about closing, but wants his name on the re-opening

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 04/15/2020 at 12:58

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...he’s not THAT bad a guy...

Can’t read THAT reply and keep a straight face...

fintail > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 12:58

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I was aiming for what he’s done in this crisis (which takes heat off his other corruption), my bad. But...

ACA - I have to give it a zonk. Removing a heavy handed part of the ACA is not a solution. One of 45's campaign promises was a superior replacement for Obamacare. We don’t have that now, today’s option is either paying through the nose for results that are both more expensive and objectively worse than other first world countries , or having nothing and risking the uniquely American ideal of medical bankruptcy . Until there’s single payer IMO, nothing has been done.

Tax code has been simplified a little which indeed needed to be done (and much more needs to be done) , but any cuts for real people come at the cost of deficits, and IIRC the breaks given to actual people have a much shorter expiration date than those given to the top few and corporations who are people too, in the feckless hope that trickle down will finally work (spoiler alert: it won’t) . I suppose a baby step was made, but it will be reeled back easily enough.

Tariffs are being paid by consumers. I also love the idea of fighting China on anything sketchy while Jared was there selling EB-5s to corrupt kleptocrats. I wonder how much money he brought in. There’s a lot of debate about any kind of manufacturing rebirth, here’s just one:

https://www.dw.com/en/has-trump-fulfilled-his-promise-to-revive-us-manufacturing/a-51533449

NK is a distraction, there’s really nothing more today than 4 years ago than a wannabe strongman kissing up to another wannabe strongman. Unfortunately, the base salivates at the thought of licking the boots of a strongman.

I know 45 tweeted about bring about bringing troops home, but that is debated too, here’s just one:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-not-ending-endless-wars-increasing-us-forces-middle-east-2019-10

So long as Stephen Miller, DeVos, and Perdue are in positions of influence, it is hard to say 45 is doing something benign . So long as nepotism runs rampant and Javanka is given endless appointments to roles where they have no legit cred and bring nothing to the table , it is hard to embrace. So long as FOX News is used as effectively state-sponsored media, it’s hard to give credit.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 13:01

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I don’t watch TV, never seen his show.

Credulity is strained. But you might count this among your blessings.

interstate366, now In The Industry > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2020 at 13:01

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Wakanda salary is that for a king?

Future next gen S2000 owner > jimz 04/15/2020 at 13:01

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I’m paying taxes on my retirement now for this very reason. Have to pay the piper at some point.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/15/2020 at 13:10

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The reality show presidency continues.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 04/15/2020 at 13:16

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“Reality” -  I just want to know who the idiot is that writes these scripts...

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > interstate366, now In The Industry 04/15/2020 at 13:27

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“we’re pro life”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-congressman-says-he-s-willing-let-more-americans-die-n1184036

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 13:42

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It’s been pretty widely tracked that manufacturing as a whole has NOT seen an increase in the US as a result of the tariffs (which actually WE pay for in the form of increased prices) - and that there have been adverse follow on impacts in downstream markets that now have to deal with higher input costs.

What you’re doing is the definition of cherry-picking by the way, by speaking solely of what you have personal experience in. 

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/15/2020 at 14:13

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That may well be.  Of course, the best way to handle a tantrum, including those meant to bait people, is to ignore it. 

Chariotoflove > Future next gen S2000 owner 04/15/2020 at 14:15

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I’d like to as well.  Unfortunately, human nature often dictates that we don’t learn from our predecessors.

Chariotoflove > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 14:19

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There is strong evidence to support that argument.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 04/15/2020 at 14:35

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Obviously. But the person throwing said tantrum, hopefully, is not the president of the United States of America. President Trump is uniquely awful and it amazes me the intellectual contortions people will go through to avoid acknowledging that fact.

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/15/2020 at 14:46

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Sure, he is a buffoon who exhibits profoundly inappropriate and mannerless behavior in situations where manners and grace are truly important. He has always been like this, even before his TV show, which I never watched because I can’t stand his behavior.

However, since I can’t change his behavior, I choose to not let it dominate my attention. It’s too exhausting and distracting. Almost 4 years in now, I am finding that the best way to keep myself engaged and informed about  the running of my country is to ignore all of the outrage and noise generated by the behavior, and focus on actual policy actions.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 04/15/2020 at 15:06

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I was thinking about my last reply and I didn’t mean to suggest that you were a Trump apologist. It bothers me that there are so many.

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/15/2020 at 15:10

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It’s okay; I wasn’t offended . In polarized times like these, I’m used to being called a Trump apologist, even on this forum.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 04/15/2020 at 15:20

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You couldn’t make this stuff up.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

See also: Tiger King

Textured Soy Protein > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 16:43

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It’s not a simple change to the memo field. The computer software that runs the check printing is old as hell and needs to be thoroughly messed with in order to make . The treasury officials who are claiming this will not cause a delay are political appointees put in place by Trump. What the fuck else do you expect them to say?

Further, the IRS, ever since when Nixon tried to fuck with people through discriminatory taxation, has supposed to be APOLITICAL. Even when Dubya tried to get them to put his name or otherwise give credit to him for stimulus checks, the folks at the IRS told him to kindly fuck right off with that idea. Trump however puts his cronies everywhere so they’re doing his bidding this time. 

As for this shit that you said a few comments down:

he’s not THAT bad a guy nor is he that bad of a president. Not great, but not unspeakably terrible.

No, you’re fucking wrong as hell. He IS that bad of a guy and a president, and his handling of many things including the pandemic is in fact terrible in too many ways to list. If you believe otherwise you are either misinformed or willfully ignorant.

atfsgeoff > Textured Soy Protein 04/15/2020 at 17:08

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Nope . He is not that bad a guy, the IRS’s systems are NOT that antiquated (and even if they were, and it took a massive amount of time to configure anything, adding a memo in addition to anything else would not appreciably increase that setup time), he is not even handling the pandemic that poorly. If you believe otherwise you are either misinformed or willfully ignorant (see, I can play that game too).

Textured Soy Protein > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 17:29

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You can play the game if you like but it doesn’t make you any more correct than claiming up is down and left is right.

The things you’ve mentioned in other posts here as supposedly good are actually bad. The pandemic response is ATROCIOUS. From downplaying it for months, to refusing to coordinate purchasing among the states, to having daily propaganda briefings, cutting the Federal bureaucracy that we actually NEED in times like this (where’s the pandemic response team? disbanded by Trump) , to repeatedly pushing to open the economy back up without sufficient testing capacity, it’s all bad. People are dead as a direct result of Trump’s massive incompetence.

Clearly you’re a believer in the Republican platform of being anti-facts, science, logic and ethics. Repent and change your ways, sinner.

atfsgeoff > Textured Soy Protein 04/15/2020 at 18:06

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Left IS right and up IS down, depending on your perspective. Very good analogy.

Textured Soy Protein > atfsgeoff 04/15/2020 at 18:20

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I see that in the absence of any factual ground to stand upon , you instead decide to stir shit. You are beyond help, actively bad for the country, and must be fought at the ballot box. May your deity of choice condemn you to its respective version of the bad place.

atfsgeoff > Textured Soy Protein 04/15/2020 at 18:37

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Im an atheist but thanks for the well wishes anyway.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Chariotoflove 04/15/2020 at 19:06

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Walk with me on a thought experiment, will you? I think it’s clear that you and I have some differences in opinion on policy, and why mightn’t we? Friends can disagree and remain friends. (When it turns out they can’t, how much of friends were they really ever ?)

What fascinates me in all of this is the social, or civil, difference. If you say sure, he’s a buffoon, but I agree with a number of his chiefest policies, a difference between you and me, then, becomes rhetoric , does n’t it? I would argue that rhetoric matters, and you might argue that it does not, all policy positions set aside.

Here’s my scenario: suppose Bernie Sanders were president. ( Perish the thought, right? I wouldn’t want him either, assuming that you wouldn’t.) So we have several years of President Sanders and the Democrats lock step behind him and he talks funny and he runs all over the globe making cooperative deals with other world leaders, but throughout, he makes all kinds of comments and speeches that are anathema to Republicans and on top of it all, his voice grates on you like finger nails on a chalk board. And progressive Liberals love that Deplorables everywhere are losing their minds . They love it. And President Sanders runs around saying deplorable, deplorable, deplorable . Or some other flagrant affront, a new one every morning and three more by lunchtime.

Would it be reasonable, or even realistic, for me to expect you to divorce, and me to completely dismiss, any complaints that you found President Sanders to be awful and offensive and a threat to decent American living, and stick only to matters of policy? I think it would be a lot to ask.

I think that the more the policy goes a person’s way, the more they’ll dismiss of anything and everythi ng else, and that Donald Trump is an extreme example of this, as he is an extreme example of everything else that he is. I wish the President’s ilk would just say, “Hey: I’m ge tting mine. I don’t care about you. I don’t care how he makes you feel because I’m getting mine .” But that would be fundamentally honest , and politics fundamentally aren’t.

Are we who loathe Donald J. Trump getting a taste of how the right felt about Barack Obama?

Chariotoflove > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 04/15/2020 at 20:13

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Are we who loathe Donald J. Trump getting a taste of how the right felt about Barack Obama?

Maybe. That seems reasonable. I didn’t vote for Obama, but I also didn’t think he was a bad guy or anything for all that I didn’t like some of his policies. I honestly didn’t spend my attention following the diatribe against him either.

But I think your assertion has merit. Folks do tend to forgive a lot more when their guy is doing something that benefits them. That’s what I see a lot of the GOP doing now, even though so much of it desperately did not want a President Trump.

I think behavior does matter. How we present ourselves and treat each other on a personal level is so very important for working together. On that score, this president has undoubtedly fallen down, and I don’t forgive it.  But I am struggling to put aside 98% of what I read about his personal conduct and get to what his policies are actually doing. If we don’t do that, we risk getting distracted by the smoke screen of tweets and we could miss the debate on the important stuff. I would honestly do my best to do the same with a President Sanders or Biden.

pip bip - choose Corrour > ttyymmnn 04/16/2020 at 06:55

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petulant man-child in a dick measuring contest.